tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC July 6, 2009 11:00pm-12:00am EDT
i'm keolbermann. goodig and good luck. join us for the live edition of "countdo." every night at0 p.m. easter >> eight months ago i made a proposal to michael jkson, i said show me the real man and make nothing limited. he thought aboutt and said yes, come to neverland. >> you come ou here onour own? yeah. >> how often? >> all the time. >> what go on a ride? >> y. being a character, playing music. i love playing classical music on the carousel. >> what aboutthe ferris wheel. >> i love that. >> can we go on it? >> sure. >> we ben a journey togher
across contints, through his past and rapidly into the diurbing reality of his life today. >> okay, all right. >>ichael jackson, martin bashir, the go-cart land o neverland. >> youot head-flipping coming. i'll flip your head. hey, he's chilling! he's cheating. >> this is michaelackson as you've never seen him befo quite simply, his wod.
♪ how do you write a song? how doou write a song? >> how do write song? well, i sit down at the piano. >> you put p to hand. >> if i sat he and pyed some chords and i i'm going to write the best song i've ever written,othing happens. i member when i wrote the "billie jean," i writing down my car in ventura boulevard. all i remember saying beforehand, i want to write a song with a eat bass hook. and i just l igo really. and then several days late you know -- ♪ the whe -- >> wre did that come from? >> from above. >> the dance as well? >> y, same thing. >> how do you do it? can you show me how you do i >> boy. come on, just get up anshow me. >> i'm shy.
>> come on, just show me. jut show me what you do. teach me. >> okay. oh, boy. u're putting me on the spot now. >> ce on. >> now peoplare discovering sothing about me. i'm really shy. i'm embased. >> oy. you're shy. just get up and show me. >> oh, okay. ♪ >> wt's going through your mind when you're dancing? >> not thinking. thinking is the biggest miste a dancer could make. you ha to feel. ♪
u become the bass. u beco the fantasy, or you become the clarinet d the fle and the strings and the >> so you're almost thphical embodiment of the musi >> yeah, absolutel >> michael jackson's home, neverland, is a 000 acre rancthree urs north of los angeles. as with most of his lifeit has to be seen to be belied. inspired b the children' fairy tale "peter n" abo the little boyho never grew up, it's aultimillion dollar manmade slice of make believe. the inspiration for neveand, peter pan, why is peter pan a figure of such interest d inspiration to you >> becse pet pan to me
represents something that'very specl in my heart. you know, he represents youth, childhood, never grong up, magic, flying. evything, i think, that children and wondermt and magic, what it's all about. and me, i just have never, ever grown out of loving tt or thinki that it's very special. >> do you identify with hi >> totally. >> you don't want to grow up >> no, i am per pan. >> no, you're not. you're mhael jackson. >> i'm peter pan in myeart. >> so how had this sging and dancing genius arrived in this surreal ple that is his life today? i started look for answers back at the beginning. ♪ show me what you can do
♪ shake it, shake it, baby ♪ come on now ♪ sha it she it baby ♪ o, o, three, baby ♪ abc, baby ♪ doe-re-mi >> when you would be practicing, you were very heavily disciplined by your father what was that ? >> well, i -- i didn'tave it that hard, because he usede as the exame. it was like, do it like michael. and he practiced us with a belt inis hand. and if you missed a step, exct to be -- just let me go back. yojust said that you would practice the dance stepsand
your father woulbe holding a belt ihihand. is that what you jt said? >> yes, yes. and he would tear you up if yo missed. and so we not only we re practicing, we were nervs rehearsing. because he sat in a chair and he had this belin his hand. and if you didn't do it e right way, he would ar you up. real get you. and i got it a lot of times. but i think my brother marli t it t most. because he had a hard time at first. and he tried so hard. and it was alway dit like michael. do it like micel. u know, but the others were veryervousand i was nervous, o, you know. because heas tough. >> how oen would he beat you? >> t much. >> wld he only use the belt?
>> why are y doing this to me? no, more than lt. >> what el wld he use to hit you with? >> ironing cords, whever was ound. he would throw you up against the wall as hard as could. it's one thing to -- >> but you were only a child. >> i know. >> youere a baby. >> inow. it's one thing to -- >> and you were producin successful recor >> i know. he would le his temper. i st remember hearing my mother scrm, "joe, you're gog kill them, you're going to kill them. op it. you're going to kill them." and i waso fast, he couldn't catch mealf e time. but en he would catch me, oh, my god. it was bad. was really bad. ♪ >> i looked up at thscreen and
couldn't hp wondering what effect this violence had on young michael. ♪ abc ♪ easy as one, two, three doe-re-mi ♪ ♪ abc ♪ one two three, ba, you and me girl ♪ >> we were terrified of hi terrified. i can't tellou. i n't think he realizes to is day how scared -- scared, i mean scared. so sred that i would gurgitate. >>ou would vomit? >> uh-huh. >>hen would you vomit? what would produce that sof reaction in u? >> h presence. just seeing hi and sometimes i wod faint and my boduards would have to hold me up. >> when he was beating y, did you hate him?
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i go, i promise, i ionon't so i would heaear esesgirls come . and i would hear thehem y,y, i that little mimichl?l? my brother w wou s s yeah. and d th w wld go, he's so cute, like that. i ard everything. thth i i wld hear -- >> what did you u he?? >> with the e gis?s? >> you heard them m vivingex? >> yeah. >> in n e e sa bedroom as you? >> uh, letete e se um -- sometimes. sometimes not. >>o on some occasions, you'r're lying dodo, , prending to be asasle, , anyour brother is having sex w witsosomee in the me room? >> mm-hmm. ♪ >> now, we're e gog g shping to is spectacular place.. do yououikike opping? >> love itit >> what t doououove about shshpiping >> not so much t theuyuyin
and i'i'm t t eap, but i love eing how people make thingngs. i love craftsmanship, , wh people can do wiwithhehe hands and their r imininion. ♪ >> h havyoyou ways been good wi y yr money? hahaveou ever always been ---- >> my money? >> yes. >> y y.. reremeer getting $200,000 checks in n e e ma when i was like 12, 13 years old.d. i used to get t the e mohly. mymyather would say, well,l, wt do you want totoo o wi it? i would say, well,l, ococose, we should putut iawaw. >> you w wer1212 yrs old? >> yeah, he would d gi m me rtrtn amount to buy thingsgs that i wanted to buy.. and what i wouldld b w w some bubble game and candndanand uff like that.t. >> okay. let's go. weweeaded straight for jacacks's favovoritete spping mall. he told me he wantntedo o end somemeererio money, and he wasn't joking.g. >>hese ceilings are madede- -
>> yeses, 's's eraordinary, isisn'it? y y. incredible. >> it seems a bit tatack > tkyky e e yosilly? >>ououike to buy jewelry? >> no. for r m motr, elizabeth taylor, s. elababetloves jewelry. my mother loves s jelrlr anand >> did you h hr r elabeth taylor wawa-- the girl i like at thth moment, i will buy h herewewry. o oh,eah, who's that? >> if f erere one i like at the momont. >> is therere? >> at the e mementno, not right no i haven't found one e t.t. >> who knows. there's time. you're still a young boyoy. this is michael l jasoson' fafariritehop in las vegas, with the luckieiestananer in the world. >> this piece. this one, , th o onethis one. bought this table. ththishess set. isn't it b beaifif, this set?
>>ouour ess set in your brary. >>o. this is bigger. thth i is gger. > w.. and it's solol l loo >> i bought t th o o, right. >>s s th yours? > tt't's sold sign. means it forore.e. >> how mucuch t tt one? >> did we get this onene - >> it's s lyly 8000. >> did we get this onene? >> no. >> can you put that t onheheist? > ocourse. >ust get your pin so yoyou n rk and not forget. >> i'm g getngng t list now. d dide get those? >> d don believe so. > iikikthose. y y dot we order those. >> right. > like those. you have enough spaceceoror a of this,s, mhaha? > yh,h, io. >> you've got spacace. >> yeah. >> in neverlrlan >> no. this w wl l beor another house. >> oh, another onene? > yh. > wbought these, right? >> right. >> and these a andhehe? >> you like your animals, , dot you? >>es. and these we bought. . >> yes. >> and these. yes. this table. thesese,hehe, right? >> yes. >> how about theheseigiglue
ones. lolo how beautiful thesese a.. these, right?? these -- >es. >> let's have a look a aththes ones? >> they're beaeaififul t tt's only $275,000 eachch so that's s 0000,0 for those o. >> well, he's going g toivivus a good deal. >> he neneedtotoive you a good de. hehe leseso bargain shop. cebrities like bargains,s,oooo. let me show w yo w we' happy to give them to you. >> how mucuchahas . jackson spent, out of interestst just a rououndigigur >> we toto p t t bargain together. >>ased on the price of thingngs. a couple m milonon o-- >> i'm notot alilirty -- i'm not l libty to say. >> these t this s armine, right? > uhuh. >> it's like you surroroun yourself with h ufuff at's like an emperor's h hou, , ist it? it's like louis xiv. >> yes. it's my tastste. >> you could probablylytire on
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and some lady recognized my brothers and all of . she goesoh, od, it's the ckn 5. where's ttle michael? where's little michael? she's looking down. where'little michael? and another person goes, "there he is." d she goes, ew, what happened? just like that. and, god, i st could have died ght there. it'sxaly what that lady said to me. >> did your father andour brothers tease y about your appeancean adolescent? >> my father did. and someousins did. >> what did your fatr say? >>e would tease me about how i looked, and he woulday, well, you didn get it from my side of t family. st have been on kate -- ka he would always say, meaningy moer. you didn't get that from me. i saidthanks for making me feel better, you know. i would just go to the bedroom
and cry, you kw. >> is it truthat your father used to y you had a fat nose? >> yeah. >> what did he say? whwh d dide actually say? >> god, yoururosose big. you didi't't g it from me. >> whahat eses tt do to someone who'o's ininthrough adolescence? you want to die. yoyowant to die. and on top of it, yoyou t t too on stage in n thspsplight in front of hundreds ofofhohousds of p peoe e anjust, god, it's hahard i would hahaveeeeen ppier weararg g a sk. >> so had these adadolcece experiences in the spopoigighted michael jackson toto rakakhis ce to create his own mask?k? > o these are beautiful. >> i had t to k k hi what do you u y y toeople who sasa well, when michael jajackn was a a y,y, hwas a black kid. and now asasn n adt, he looks like a white man?
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okay.. thank you. i s about to meet michaeae ckson's children, prinince mimichl i and paris. they're rarerelyeeeen public. are you all set? that's a reallllgrgreamask. >> it's s bubuttfly. >> it's a butterfly.y. let me see. come here.e. what's i it dede o >> i don't know! it's blackck. >> wow. oh, sorry. >> shall we run? > slllle run? su. he's wearing nice shoho.. he isn't running anynywhe.e. p par, you want to run? okay. >> jackson told me he e ner r alallod d s children out without mas to conceal their entities. thchchdren were the result o of jasoson'brief marriage to his s dermatology nursrse,ebebe rowe. paris s isowow 4 prce is almost 6.
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brother, ranan, , beuse his head s shaped just like theheir and i said oh, my y go anand en the rest, they let t pull -- pull him o outndnd cut the e umlilil cords with scissors that t rere sped like a storork. and they cleananedimim o and evything. and d ---- ias ready to take him home. theyey sd,d, ne, can't take him home. i i gowhwh thth said, he has serious s problems. i go, what? we have toto te e m to intensive cacare he's n notrerehing properly. i ididoh, no, please, god, don't let me have a a ckck cld. oh, pleaease so i waited ananouour,wo hours, three hours, four hohour i ias s scad. after five hours, this n nur comes in, anand e e go, okay, u can go home now. i was so happy. >> okay, mike. >> paris w wasororn on after. >> y yes
> yr r ughter. >> yes. >ow was that? were you there for herer bthth >>f f cose. ofourse. it was just magic. she came out the wrorongayay. her face was f fac t therong wa a andhe was being kind of okok by the umbilical cordrd, i i s s ki of worried, and it ok her longer. d d i s so anxious to get her home t thai i --fter cutting the cord -- i hate t to y y is -- i snched her and just went homome all l t thelacenta all over hehe >>ouou'rkidding. >> y yea i i'mot kidding. gogot r r a towel and ran. ey said it was fine. evevything was okay with t tha anand gogot r home and washed r all off. >> she was just born.. >> i k kno >>hyhyid you want to do thatat because i felt that i it s s ayay. they told me i it s s ay. debbie said it was okay.y. and i got the e peisissi from the doctor. i inink was so frightened thatat
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> ds s like his food? >> yes. >> have e u u be hearing about whwhateoeoplhave been saying? >> it's totally ignorant.. i would never r dohahat my children or r anyoyochild, try to kill them. co o on,tupid.child, try toill them. meme o stupid. why woululi i pua scarf over the baby's face if i w w t tryg to throw hihim f f e balcony? we were wavivingo o ousands of nsns dn below. ananththeyere chanting they wantntedo o semy child, so i was kind enough to letet tm m e. i i wadoing something. d i'm innocent. >> he's hungry, , n'n't ? >> he loves the milk. itits s go. thank you. >> jackson's behavaviowawas giginng to alarm me. lalar that day, he took prprin and d pas berlin's zoo. it was supposed to be e fafami outing, but the prpreswewereut
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else's beded >> wellll, i woodndn'tind if i knew the person wellanand i -- i'm very close to barry gibbs. paris and princnce stay w wthth any time. mymy cldren sleepith other pele all the titie.e. >> and y you'r happy wh that? >> fine with it theyey'rhonest,t,hehey' sweet people. ey're not jack the ripr.r. >> i susuppee t probobm m fo manyeoeoe ishahat happened i i 1993 orhhat didn't happen. >> w wha didn't happen. >usustast youriind back. what was t tha like w wn n you firstt hrdrd t allegation that's were beieing mdede again you? >> ittasas hohoing. ani'i'm t allowed t toalk out this by wayff lalaw. > b h how did you f fll abou at was being said? m m noasking you to talk aboutut what was said. >> was shhockedd becausus g owowin my heart how muchch dor children. >>ut isn'trecisely the problem. when you invite ildren into ur bed, you never know wt't's going to happen. >> wheyoyosay bed, you're
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